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halfacookie |
Help - problem with my IP address |
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Somehow, my IP address has gotten banned. Yet I don't know why? I didn't post anything controversial or questionable. How can this be fixed?
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exstreamuser |
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You will need to message the Owner or an admin on the board you are having a problem with and inform them of the situation and let them fix it. If you are
unsure who these may be, can you post a link to the board then someone can tell you.
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halfacookie |
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exstreamuser wrote: Thank you for taking the time to help.
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exstreamuser |
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What is the board in question?
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exstreamuser |
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halfacookie |
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You are wonderful! Thank you!!
I have to wonder if it is something with AOL... |
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exstreamuser |
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Probably. Best mention that to them when you send the PM. Point them back to this topic in case they need help.
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halfacookie |
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Still not working - even when directly through Internet Explorer. I've tried deleting all browsing history and rebooting the computer by turning it off
and on again. I even disconnected from the wireless router for awhile to see if that would reset things. Nothing is working. Is my only choice to reenroll
again with another user id? I wish I knew what was wrong so I can avoid it happening again (if I ever get on again).
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1992casey |
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From what I understand, board owners shouldn't be banning AOL IPs at all; these IPs are recycled over and over and are going to be blocking the wrong
visitors sooner than later.
As an example, our board IP guru recently looked up a member's most recent AOL IP address. It matched 17 other members. |
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Chris W962 |
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halfacookie,
When you find yourself banned, just log off from the internet and log back on again. There are several AOL IPs banned on that board. You might need to let the board admin know that this is going to be causing problems. If you keep seeing the banned message, you could try and get into the 64 range, which won't give you the banned message. To know your IP, click on this link after logging on to the internet. http://whatsmyip.org/ |
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halfacookie |
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Ok - at least I understand how I got banned. Somehow my ever-changing IP address cycled such that it hit on an real banned address. What does "getting into the 64 range" mean? I tried logging off, logging back on, disconnecting from my wireless router, turned the computer off, etc. Nothing worked. Now I'm logged back on for the first time since this morning. I'm going to try again. Thank you to all of you - and also this particular board's administrator - for continuing to help me with this problem. |
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Chris W962 |
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What does "getting into the 64 range" mean?I should have said 64.12 range. I am going to elaborate a bit in this reply, because we are getting many reports of AOL users who find themselves banned on the boards and perhaps this will help board owners to see that banning AOL IPs (or any dynamic IP) is not a good idea. AOL has different IP ranges, but they vary. Here is an example of AOL ranges. 64.12.96.0 - 64.12.127.255 149.174.160.0 - 149.174.175.255 152.163.0.0 - 152.163.255.255 195.93.0.0 - 195.93.127.255 198.81.0.0 - 198.81.31.255 202.67.64.128 - 202.67.64.255 205.188.0.0 - 205.188.255.255 207.200.112.0 - 207.200.119.255 Logging on with an AOL IP or any other dynamic IP is like using a public phone to make your phone calls. Say you call from the public phone at the corner of your street. You'll be dialing from a certain number, because that particular phone has its own specific number. The next time you use a public phone, you use the phone at the store, two blocks down. You are now dialing from a different number. But no matter which phone you use, someone will have used it before you did, and someone will use it after you do, so they will be calling from the same number you did. It is the same with a dynamic IP. A dynamic IP could be considered a public number rather than a private number. Someone has used the number before you did, and someone else will use it after you are done with it. If one of the people who used it before you did was being a bad boy or girl on the board, the board owner might have banned the number. Now you are using that number and you see yourself banned. A static IP on the other hand is an IP that is given to you and it is yours, just like when you have your own phone in the house as opposed to using a public phone. If you have your own phone, you'll always be dialing from the same number. The problem is that there aren't enough static IPs to give every person who uses the internet their own number. Thus, some internet service providers have a certain amount of numbers, but they have more users than there are numbers. Their numbers go in a "pool". When you log on to the internet, you draw a number out of that pool and you will use that number for the time you are logged on. When you log off, the number you used goes back in the pool and someone else will draw it next time around. AOL is famous for having a small IP pool which causes problems on message boards because if several people on the board use AOL they are likely to draw a number that has already been used by a different member on the board. Banning a dynamic IP and especially an AOL IP, is useless and only leads to trouble for innocent users. The member who used the IP will draw a different number next time they log on, so they will no longer be banned. The only thing accomplished here is that other members who will draw that IP will be banned for no reason. Why does it happen so often with AOL? Because there are a lot of AOL users on the internet, most likely more AOL users than users with a different ISP. The chances that more than 4 people use peoplepc or earthlink on an average sized board are slim while the chances that less than 4 people on an average sized board use AOL are just as slim. There will be more than 4. Bottom line: don't ban dynamic IPs, it is quite useless. How does a board owner know when an IP is dynamic? Some ISPs have their ranges listed, but some don't, but you can pretty much tell who has a dynamic IP on the board. When the board owner looks up a profile and looks at the IPs used by this profile, if the member has been to the board several times, they will most likely show multiple IPs, this is an indication that their IP is dynamic. If the member has been to the board on several occasions and there is only 1 IP showing, it means that the IP is static. in such cases - and only in such cases- an IP ban can be effective. Now, when you find yourself banned by IP for no reason, throw that number you are using back in the IP pool by logging off from the internet, and draw a different number out of the pool by logging on again. Does that solve the problem? Not always, it depends on whether a specific number is banned or a range is banned. Most IP bans are specific numbers, not ranges. Board owners only tend to ban a range when they have a particularly stubborn user who keeps coming back after being banned. Certain ranges serve certain geographical locations. The 205, 207 and 64 ranges are within the same geographical location if I'm not mistaken. Banning a dynamic IP range is a particularly bad idea.
Last Edited By: Chris W962 7-May-08 9:30 PM.
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halfacookie |
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Great post!
Chris, thank you for such an elaborate explaination. I understand now and I'm sure others are grateful as well. For the record, last night when I logged back in I was fine. Today, I'm still fine. I have my fingers crossed that I won't run into this again, but in the event I do, I now know what steps to take. |
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Chris W962 |
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Halfcookie, maybe you can link the owner of the board to this post because there are several AOL IPs banned on that board.
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LININCT |
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Chris -- this is a bit O/T --but do you think halfcookie would like the address off the end of her name?
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halfacookie |
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LININCT wrote: Yes, but that's another thing I don't know how to do. |
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LININCT |
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halfcookie -- when Chris is back, I'm sure she can fix it for you!
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lasher |
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LOL
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Kathy |
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Looks like it is already done. While the started by on the forum page shows the extension, the posts don't.
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