I think kicksass.com sounds much better than yuku.com especially for rock music forums. http://kingdomcome.kicksass.com has a nice ring to it. And they do kick some serious ass!
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 Stargazer 2001 |
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Jibril Ammon |
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Posts: 2762 15-Feb-08 8:04 PM munificent member
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The name Yuku was picked because of it's meaning.
But does it really matter what the name of the new parent company is? Unless they splash an annoyingly trendy picture of a surfer type kid up on yuku.com with Kickapps in huge letters, it's not going to affect us. Remember that Yuku operated under Ezboard Inc for a very long time and nothing was delivered under...
EZBOARD INC PRESENTS
Yuku
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reph |
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Posts: 856 15-Feb-08 10:29 PM |
Me: yuku's ambition, evidently, is to turn all ezboard forums into social networking sites.Bob, after a certain point, I couldn't get into ezboard's help forums, if that's what you mean by the community brain. If ezboard surveyed boards, admins, or users to find out what we wanted, I didn't hear about it. Of course yuku's features were requested by admins and users! That's because some people wanted them. People ask for things that aren't there, right? People who are satisfied with what's there don't ask for anything. And because some wanted those features, now we all have to have them. Nothing you've said argues against giving customers a choice. If your community wants the fancy stuff, far be it from me to say you shouldn't have it. I do believe, though, that your preferences shouldn't be the only option for everyone else. For me, the week since my community was whisked onto yuku, without notice and with settings changed, has been a nightmare. My screen is cluttered with generic avatars for users who don't want avatars. Menus that are supposed to be drop-down are expanded all the time and can't be compressed. These elements slow loading and use bandwidth. I get logged out several times in a session; this never happened at ezboard. I'll have to get a new computer--but even users with new computers can't stay logged in. Again: A business succeeds if it gives customers what they want. Different customers want different things.
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Jibril Ammon |
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Posts: 2762 15-Feb-08 10:55 PM munificent member
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And you have options. You don't have to use all the features offered with Yuku if you don't want to. Beyond the technical issues (bugs) you're
having, anything you don't have here (the option to not use an avatar... just taking that from your post) is something that can be suggested. I'm sure
other's have suggested it already, but it never hurts to add another voice in.
Until a time that such an option is in, a user that doesn't want an avatar can upload a transparent image (usually it's suggested a 1px by 1px transparent gif) which will show nothing in terms of an avatar, you won't have to see the generic avatars that way. However, you did say that Yuku's intention was to become a social networking type, and as Bob said, that's not true. Yuku's focus is the message boards and community, and Bob was pointing out what has been done to drive that goal... giving the users what they want, most of which is for the boards. |
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reph |
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Posts: 856 16-Feb-08 12:36 AM |
Jibril, yes, I have some options. I think you misunderstood what I said about avatars. I know I'm not required to have one. However, on any forum with
avatars enabled, every post has either a real avatar or the blue generic one, followed by this stuff:
INTERACTall in a column like that. On my board, the column has even more lines of type, such as "Ban." Avatars and some items in the column are social networking features that boards pay for even if they don't use them. These things take up space (more scrolling; the stack of accessories is often taller than the post) and extend downloading time. Other features such as photo albums use many Mb and raise costs. All I propose is that a greater range of products, including simple ones, would be fairer to users who want to pay for what they get, as opposed to supporting other users who want more. It would also help ezboard/yuku retain customers for whom the current offering is a poor match. |
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alison |
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Posts: 9389 16-Feb-08 4:59 AM |
However, on any forum with avatars enabled, every post has either a real avatar or the blue generic one, followed by this stuff: ... all in a column like that.it seems that you've got a bug reph, because that column is not a column but a drop down menu. If you have a look at the documention, you'll see it says The Interact Menu appears in the mini profile section of a person's profile, and also as a drop down menu on posts by any person.The image shows it as it would look after you click on the interact button. If you're seeing it all the time expanded, then this could be a css problem in your board skin - or if you see it on all boards a javascript problem. Either way it's a bug. That is not how it looks to everyone else. On my board, the column has even more lines of type, such as "Ban." Avatars and some items in the column are social networking features that boards pay for even if they don't use themThe reason that you have extra options when you are on your board is because you are an admin on your board. None of the things in that list are "paid for". The only thing you can pay for in yuku is ad removal. And none of the things in that list can be considered "social networking features". Or perhaps more correctly - none of the things in that list could be considered inappropriate for a "messageboard feature". Messageboards are all about interacting with the people who are part of your community. Other features such as photo albums use many Mb and raise costs.They don't raise costs. The only thing that you can pay for in yuku is ad-removal. You get more personal storage as an extra bonus when you buy yuku supporter, but whether you use it or not, it does not increase your costs. And neither does it increase the costs when images are used on a board. You pay per ad-free page view. 1 view, 1 credit. The images or time it takes to download 7 extra words do not have any affect on your costs. All I propose is that a greater range of products, including simple ones, would be fairer to users who want to pay for what they get, as opposed to supporting other users who want more. I can't work out what on earth you actually want here - a greater range of products without supporting people who want a greater ranger of products? We do not charge you to use this product AT ALL. You only pay to remove ads. You can use any and every feature and option, or you can strip your board and forum down to the bare minimum. It's all about choice and flexibility. If there is actually a feature - a simple feature - that we've totally overlooked then please do suggest it using the feedback form. |
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GoldenGem |
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Posts: 142 16-Feb-08 5:35 AM Rare |
Having once been invited to a social networking site - and it was a very brief visit indeed because I thought it was awful - I don't think yuku in any way shape or form is like them - thank goodness.
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BluebirdNut |
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Posts: 281 16-Feb-08 5:45 AM |
alison wrote:Oh, yeah. I had that bug. It was weird. The Jump Forum and Topic Tools drop-down menus were constantly dropped down, too. I thought it was a bug with a Firefox update. But it wasn't, not really. At the suggestion of someone here - user or staff, I don't remember, I did a F5 hard refresh and it went away. That was one of the easiest bug fixes! |
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Mister Peepers |
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Posts: 76 16-Feb-08 8:12 AM |
If F5 doesn't work, try Alt+F4.
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reph |
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Posts: 856 16-Feb-08 11:14 AM |
it seems that you've got a bug reph, . . . . If you're seeing it all the time expanded, then this could be a css problem in your board skin - or if you see it on all boards a javascript problem. Either way it's a bug. That is not how it looks to everyone else.I know. "Topic Tools" is expanded all the time, as well. I'll avoid repeating things I posted on bugbase and just say that I'll have to buy a new computer sooner than I'd planned to, in order to continue doing volunteer work. Admins are volunteers. I appreciate the helpful hints from people who advised me to use F this and F that. Unfortunately, my F4 is the volume control for sound, and my F5 is the number lock. Why take up space and bytes with an empty avatar when a poster doesn't use an avatar? The reason that you have extra options when you are on your board is because you are an admin on your board.I know that too. None of the things in that list are "paid for". The only thing you can pay for in yuku is ad removal.No, please listen. This part is important. I meant that yuku pays for development, storage capacity, use of help forums, and debugging for friends lists, photo albums, and other non-ezboard features. Like all businesses, yuku passes its costs to customers. Because customers can't opt out of features they don't need, all customers pay indirectly for all features. A fairer pricing system would give us more choice. Messageboards are all about interacting with the people who are part of your community.You have hit on the issue that underlies the split between people who love yuku and people who hate it. What's the purpose of a message board? A person with a mainly social orientation will say it's interaction. A person who's more content-oriented will say the message board is there so that people can post and reply to messages. My board serves people with a health issue. Traffic on our Support forum, where we deal with medical questions and share advice on coping, is way down since the switch to yuku. Traffic on Off Topic, the more "social" forum and the one where we kept the avatars because that forum really is more about interaction, is up or constant. In other words, the change has pushed our board in a less serious direction. It looks as if new people who need the board for its original purpose are no longer coming there. Not just my opinion--others say the same thing. I can't work out what on earth you actually want here - a greater range of products without supporting people who want a greater ranger of products? We do not charge you to use this product AT ALL. You only pay to remove ads.I explained this above. All customers share in the cost (to yuku) of all features. If there is actually a feature - a simple feature - that we've totally overlooked then please do suggest it using the feedback form.The biggest single thing you could do to stop the flow of users away from our board is to stop logging them out every few pages and making their browsers quit and their computers freeze. This problem is described at bugbase. |
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favafoyo |
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Posts: 428 16-Feb-08 11:37 AM Begging for 2 S's
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The biggest single thing you could do to stop the flow of users away from our board is to stop logging them out every few pages and making their browsers quit and their computers freeze. This problem is described at bugbase.there must be something specific about your computer or your browser to cause this; it's not normal/typical behavior. I am very rarely logged out of Yuku without me doing it myself. my browsers all work flawlessly with Yuku and my computer definitely doesn't freeze. that doesn't mean you have to go out and buy a new computer, I just had to use a computer with windows 98 a few days ago and got on Yuku fine after upgrading my browser to the latest version of Firefox. I have yet to meet anyone on here that has had to buy a new computer to use Yuku, a few upgrades to their browser maybe, not certainly not a new computer. |
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NastyNana |
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Posts: 325 16-Feb-08 12:00 PM |
If you don't want to see the Yuku default avatar, add this to your global css:
.default-avatar{ display: none; } No avatar will be displayed if the user doesn't have one.
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Same old Bob |
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Posts: 64 16-Feb-08 12:02 PM Mr Insanitivity
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The only people who have had to upgrade hardware are web tv users. Win 98 and IE6 run just fine on Yuku anything newer won't have problems.
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Jibril Ammon |
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Posts: 2762 16-Feb-08 12:11 PM munificent member
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reph, don't you think that all these developers that are 'costing money' have already been on the payroll?
They stopped working on Ezboard and started working on Yuku... so the guys and ladies who were busy bringing things to Ezboard are now just brining it to Yuku. They wanted to put the features on Ezboard, but they couldn't. Their script wouldn't let them, so they worked on a new script. No cost of development is being put on users that don't want the features. In fact the Gold pricing is working out cheaper in most cases. That argument is so full holes it barely has any surface to it. |
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Kristin |
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Posts: 2228 16-Feb-08 12:38 PM |
I actually managed to make a skin very recently that seems to work ok for WebTV users. I made it for a board whose members mainly used WebTV and were having
problems after their board was imported to Yuku.
I'll make a more generic WebTV skin for the library next week. (Not that I'm guaranteeing the skin will solve all problems for WebTV users. That technology is difficult to support as it's so outdated.) |
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reph |
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Posts: 856 16-Feb-08 3:11 PM |
It's not just my computer or my browser. Three of the six admins at my board have a great lot of trouble using yuku. Two of us have become ill from the
stress of dealing with this unwanted change. Members have also reported that yuku is slow and logs them out frequently.
Most people have more modern equipment than I do. I have a Mac with OS 9, which won't run Firefox. Firefox requires OS X. Microsoft stopped updating IE for Mac after IE 5. But people with newer setups (read: "almost everyone") have similar problems using my board since it moved. NastyNana, what's a global css? Jibril, why so quick to dismiss my opinions? The general principle here is TANSTAAFL. |
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Jibril Ammon |
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Posts: 2762 16-Feb-08 3:15 PM munificent member
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I'm not dismissing your opinions.
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cedar |
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Posts: 2447 17-Feb-08 12:59 AM |
I've added it to your board's css Reph. You shouldn't be seeing anymore of the default Yuku avatars now - only the ones that people have personally
selected.
(CSS is the board's style sheet. You'll find it in 'admin > design box > customized skins'. You're using the Yuku Professional skin, and if you click on 'edit html' you'll see the css in the third box on that page. The first two are for the html header and html footer.) |
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 Wild Jazie |
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Posts: 41 17-Feb-08 3:59 AM |
Kristin wrote: Will it ever be possible to create a code so that anyone with WebTV can add it to their profile, and the every board they visit won't give them all of those problems? I ask becuz I only know one person with Web TV.
I get logged out when I switch between Ezboard and Yuku, but not always. Thanks for that code, I added it to my board. |
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Posts: 9389 17-Feb-08 8:31 AM |
My board serves people with a health issue. Traffic on our Support forum, where we deal with medical questions and share advice on coping, is way down since the switch to yuku. Traffic on Off Topic, the more "social" forum and the one where we kept the avatars because that forum really is more about interaction, is up or constant. In other words, the change has pushed our board in a less serious direction. It looks as if new people who need the board for its original purpose are no longer coming there. Not just my opinion--others say the same thing.I really don't think that you can hold us responsible for the change in posting habits at your board. But there are things that you can do to funnel their actions if you like. If you want to move the focus your message board back to more on-topic discussions, then I suggest you ask at skins for help. For example, they could show you how to hide all the interact menus, removing avatars or disabling other features that you don't wish to offer to your members. You have hit on the issue that underlies the split between people who love yuku and people who hate it. What's the purpose of a message board? A person with a mainly social orientation will say it's interaction. A person who's more content-oriented will say the message board is there so that people can post and reply to messages.You cannot possibly say that posting and replying to messages is not interaction. That is purely what it is. The act of posting and replying is interaction. No, please listen. This part is important. I meant that yuku pays for development, storage capacity, use of help forums, and debugging for friends lists, photo albums, and other non-ezboard features. Like all businesses, yuku passes its costs to customers. Because customers can't opt out of features they don't need, all customers pay indirectly for all features. A fairer pricing system would give us more choice.It's quite true that all developer time requires payment. And that costs must be passed on. However unfortunately this isn't something that can parcelled out in chunks. And the parts of development that are new features for yuku - ie, were not present in ezboard - are not a huge percentage of the overall total. The majority of the work is the infrastructure of the network. Years and years of unfulfilled suggestions made by ezboard admins tells us that our users - and this is a global network - want these things. They want the things that other software offers them. And so we are building them.
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