PS Nice post... for steaming out the ears, you managed to be 'nice' about it
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gkmt50 |
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Shiny - I felt your pain. We were baffled and the CSS still is hard on me, but Cedar will fix you up. It took me about 3 weeks to feel comfortable with the
YUKU admin interface. Hang in there
PS Nice post... for steaming out the ears, you managed to be 'nice' about it
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reph |
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Steaming, you have my sympathy, not that it'll help you sleep better. My board was involuntarily migrated three weeks ago with no warning. I had to buy a
new computer to be able to admin adequately, as yuku doesn't accommodate old browsers. It was delivered today. I've figured out how to use one percent
of it.
Although yuku administrators (as distinct from board administrators like you and me) say yuku isn't a social networking site, migrants from ezboard notice the networking features first. Wikipedia's article on yuku classifies it in the category "Social networking sites." Make of that what you will. Reactions by new forced migrants remind me so much of Elisabeth Kübler-Ross's stages of adaptation to terminal illness: anger, bargaining ("Take us back to ezboard, we paid enough"), and so forth. Of course, there's an important difference. Death is inevitable, whereas one can choose not to remain with yuku, so a successful passage through the stages needn't end in acceptance. A few tips: Check your forum security settings on arrival. Some of ours slipped out in the move, and we don't know why (it's being investigated). Invisible forums became visible, and members posted in them who wouldn't have been able to at ezboard. Privacy settings in profiles can also change. Yuku doesn't recognize ezOps, only board owners; the former ezOp has only admin privileges and no longer gets a free Supporter account. The board owner won't see ads, but he or she doesn't get a free Supporter account, either. These differences will affect the cost of running a board that's big enough to be charged by page views. Yuku's pricing structure differs from ezboard's. The Quick Reply feature is actually a convenience, in my opinion. It saves loading a page just to reply. Some of the new admin controls do neat tricks like telling you what other screen names a poster has used - easier than comparing IPs by hand and guessing. Other information we had in My Community, however, is missing, such as the list of five newest members and certain board statistics. Yuku is located in the Pacific time zone, which is eight hours behind the British Isles. When it's 8:00 p.m. in Ireland, it's noon in California. Yuku admins aren't all located in the United States. They seem to work different shifts, and I've had responses on technical problems in the evening (I'm also in the Pacific zone). |
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alison |
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Wikipedia's article on yuku classifies it in the category "Social networking sites." Make of that what you will. Wikiepedia is a system that allows anyone to edit it (except those who work with the company), so if the categorisation is incorrect you could easily go and fix it The majority of edits on it have been made by people who don't actually use yuku.
A few tips: Check your forum security settings on arrival. Some of ours slipped out in the move, and we don't know why (it's being investigated). Invisible forums became visible, and members posted in them who wouldn't have been able to at ezboard. Privacy settings in profiles can also change. It's a good idea to check these. Most migrations are totally smooth, but there is always the potential for a problem. However please check them first - before making ANY changes to your board. Don't mimic forum settings or member lists until you understand what you're doing. The majority of cases of where security appeared to be breached turned out to be a case of misunderstanding what the admin was seeing in the new access forums, or they broke their security by making changes that they didn't understand. Take a screenshot and send it to us if you want it checked, and we can explain how it works. Yuku doesn't recognize ezOps, only board owners; the former ezOp has only admin privileges and no longer gets a free Supporter account.I think this is a slightly confusing statement. And ezop IS a board owner. The ezop does not get "demoted" to an admin, they remain the board owner. It's a name change, nothing more. The board owner, by default is the only person who can demote or promote admins. That power is disabled for other admins. The owner can give their admins that power however. The owner can give all admins powers equal to the owner. However the owner is still the owner. This is exactly the same as it was on ezboard, other than the fact that admin powers were not customisable on ezboard. The board owner won't see ads, but he or she doesn't get a free Supporter account, either. These differences will affect the cost of running a board that's big enough to be charged by page views. views by the board owner should not use your ad-free page views, and thus do not affect the cost of running the board. Other information we had in My Community, however, is missing, such as the list of five newest members To view all your recently joined members - on non MBA boards as well as MBA boards - simply go to your member management page, view all members, and then click "joined by" to show your members in order of joining. Click it again to reverse the list order. |
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shiny lady |
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gkmt50 - Thanks :> I think everybody's entitled to complain, but there's no excuse for being a twit about it. The team here work really hard, and I
don't think they deserve to have that go unrecognised, even if I am annoyed :3
Reph - A new computer? Ouch! I'm pretty sure our issues pale in comparison to that. I do know that the interface makes my comp lag like crazy, but that's something me and my wallet are prepared to live with. You have my extreme sympathy on that one x_x Thanks for the info. As for the security stuff, yeah, we noticed a bit of an oopsie. About ten members were randomly modded, and due to the laggy admin CP and stuff, it took me about three quarters of an hour to get them all back down to players. Most had access to staff areas and private forums for our eyes only, but thankfully most were also members who haven't even visited the board in months, lol. As for the security settings, they seemed to be fine. Our owner checked them and, thankfully, everything appeared to be in good working order. We always used Quick Reply in the OOC areas - our board is a serious offender when it comes to silly OOC games - but it stretches the RP areas and looks pretty bad. We had a poll about it back on ezboard and the majority wanted them kept out of IC areas. Now we're trying to figure out whether it's possible to keep it as an option for OOC, or whether it can only be used for all forums. If it's the latter, the members will want to get rid of it. Our board stats got fairly muddled too. Our daily post count suddenly became seven. The board owner was irritated, but the fact that we'd had so many posts yesterday kind of negated the new post count, so I don't think it would put anyone off joining (which is the main worry with RP boards' post counts). Fiiiinally, Alison, I have that list of some of the things we'd like to change/fix/ask about as regards layout and stuff. Should I post it here or would you like me to PM it to you (or somebody)? Oh, oh, and thanks for getting back to PracticeToDeceive about the bug ^__^
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reph |
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The majority of edits on it have been made by people who don't actually use yuku.Interesting. How do you know this? Did they identify themselves? Most Wikipedia contributors don't sign with their real names. The majority of cases of where security appeared to be breached turned out to be a case of misunderstanding what the admin was seeing in the new access forums, or they broke their security by making changes that they didn't understand.Our board must be in the minority, then. For example, soon after the move, two members posted in a forum that had been read-only. We hadn't made any changes there or given special privileges to those two members. And ezop IS a board owner. The ezop does not get "demoted" to an admin, they remain the board owner. It's a name change, nothing more. The board owner, by default is the only person who can demote or promote admins. That power is disabled for other admins. The owner can give their admins that power however. The owner can give all admins powers equal to the owner. However the owner is still the owner. This is exactly the same as it was on ezboard, other than the fact that admin powers were not customisable on ezboard.I need to clarify. At ezboard, our owner and our ezOp were different people. It had been that way for years. The ezOp could and did appoint and remove admins, without participation by the owner. He can't do it now. We're trying to get board ownership transferred to him so he can function more effectively. views by the board owner should not use your ad-free page views, and thus do not affect the cost of running the board.That's good to know. Recent communications have left us unsure on this point. |
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alison |
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Now we're trying to figure out whether it's possible to keep it as an option for OOC, or whether it can only be used for all forums. If it's the latter, the members will want to get rid of it. Yes, you can do this easily using css - ask at http://skins.yuku.com or add it to your list
Reph, as far as ezboard is concerned the ezop IS the owner of the board. The ezop is the person who creates the board, and agrees to the terms of use. That is the person responsible for the board. Any other administrator is just an administrator. Only one perosn is identified in the memberlist as the ezop. If you have an admin who needs to promote admins, then the owner (ezop) can simply give him that power on his edit page. |
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shiny lady |
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Fiiiinally, Alison, I have that list of some of the things we'd like to change/fix/ask about as regards layout and stuff. Should I post it here or would you like me to PM it to you (or somebody)? Oh, oh, and thanks for getting back to PracticeToDeceive about the bug ^__^ *Cough* >>; |
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ShinyLady - the http://skins.yuku.com link is also for layout and stuff. You can post your list there so that the css/html
folks can help you there.
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shiny lady |
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Okay... the appropriate forum seems to comprise mostly of specific queries... but of course, it's always fun to look like a total idiot in front of others.
Thanks, I'll give it a whirl.
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Jibril Ammon |
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Trust me... no one looks like an idiot at Skins and CSS.... after the questions I've had to ask there... that board has a 'there's no such thing as
a stupid question' rule I believe. They are very understanding of those that are still learning about CSS since everyone had to start somewhere, no one is
born with the knowledge.
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alison |
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sorry yes - pm it to me
And here's a cough sweet
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reph |
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Reph, as far as ezboard is concerned the ezop IS the owner of the board. The ezop is the person who creates the board, and agrees to the terms of use. That is the person responsible for the board. Any other administrator is just an administrator. Only one perosn is identified in the memberlist as the ezop.The admins at our board really don't understand this arrangement. For one thing, the move from ezboard took us all by surprise. Later it turned out that board owners were notified of such moves in advance and ezOps were not. Our owner has been absent for a few years, but we've always had an active ezOp, so we concluded that being out of touch with the owner was the reason we hadn't been informed. For instance, the owner may have changed his address. Did we go wrong in thinking it was the reason? If the ezOp is the person responsible for the board, shouldn't yuku have notified him, rather than the owner, of the impending move? (In our case, neither the ezOp nor the board owner created the board originally, but who created it isn't relevant to our questions about what the titles mean. The important thing is, the Admin section identifies one person as owner and another as ezOp, and we need to know who can do what.) Then the current ezOp tried to remove some retired admins and promote another member to admin. He couldn't do it. At that point, an admin asked you for help, and you gave her the extra powers so we could get our new admin in place. (Note to other users: if you need to change admins and you can't, ask a yuku admin for a sprinkling of power dust.) We're currently trying to get ownership transferred from the owner to the ezOp. What you wrote implies that this is unnecessary and might even limit the person's powers. Please advise. |
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Jibril Ammon |
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Regardless of your terminology, Ezboard owners were called EzOps, Ezboard admins were called Administrators.
Ezboard: EzOp- the person who 'owned' whether the one who created it or the one who the ownership was transfered to Yuku: Owner- for a migrated board, the person who was EzOp, not administrator. Ezboard: Administrator- person given rights to modify board and manage members Yuku: Administrator-person given rights to manage members and/or modify board. EzOp officially, for Ezboard, is the person who was listed as the owner. Owner and EzOp are not separate things. |
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alison |
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Thanks jibril.
Reph, the owner of the board as far as our terms of use and your responsibility and powers go, is the person who created the board. That person has ezop beside his name in the member list. That person cannot be demoted or revoked powers. They cannot be banned from their board. ezop is our terminology. If doesn't matter legally if you you decide to call a different admin the ezop, or if a different admin takes the main role of running the board. The ezop is still the founding account. And it's the founding accounts that were notified by email. All other admins would have seen the on board announcement only, and not have been contacted individually. Now, it's possible to transfer the ezop /owner status to another admin - just put in a ticket. |
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reph |
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The ezop is still the founding account. And it's the founding accounts that were notified by email. All other admins would have seen the on board announcement only, and not have been contacted individually.Our ezOp didn't get a notice, and we didn't have a banner. That was why the move surprised us. Another board whose membership overlaps with ours moved to yuku (or was moved) a bit earlier, and some of us saw their banner. We thought we'd get one too before any move. Do you see now why we were all jarred out of our skulls? |
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templework |
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reph wrote:please don't get upset with this question - but how do you know the ezOp didn't get a notice? ... is it because they 'say' so? if their listed email address isn't up to date - they could not be contacted if they don't want to be 'bothered with banners or if they don't want their members (and that includes administrators) to see banners - they can be deleted without anyone else seeing them now - I'm not saying any of those things happened but unless YOU are the owner/ezOp of that board - there is no way for you to know for sure regardless the board is moved - let's direct our energies to getting it all straightened out and running so it can be enjoyed just my 2cents... |
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